Unbekannte Schiffe - fotografiert von Siegfried Wilk - Namen gesucht Teil 112

[Muranfan]

Hallo,

hier die nächste Suche nach Schiffsnamen unbekannter Schiffe, aufgenommen von Siegfried Wilk (Teil 112):

WU-135+136+137, ein GMS in Mannheim im April 1952.

Am Bug würde ich "RHEINUNION 9" lesen bzw. vermuten / kann das Jemand bestätigen oder verneinen?

Grüße
Muranfan

[McRonalds]

RHEINUNION ist mal sicher, die hatten vor der Ziffer die kleine Bezeichnung NO., kann man hier klar erkennen. Ich denke auch das ist die NO. 9. Gruß - Ronald;-)

[Ernst]

Hallo, die Flagge auf Bb im Mast sieht aus wie die von Navifer (CH)

Gruß Ernst

[McRonalds]

@Ernst; ich wurde darauf hingewiesen, dass die NAVI FER Flagge auf dem Schiff nicht mit deiner Symbolflagge überein stimmt. Andererseits habe ich schnell mal ein bisschen verglichen - und auf Fotos von Schiffen, die diese Flagge führen, sind die drei Streifen auf der NAVI FER Flagge alle gleich breit. Welche Flagge ist denn nun korrekt? Gruß - Ronald;-)

[Ernst]

Hallo Ronald, die Flagge ist so bei https://schweizer-reedereien.ch/flaggen-der-schweizer-reedereoen.html
zu sehen und die sollten es doch eigentlich wissen.

Gruß Ernst

[Rolf Gertsch]

Auf unserer Internetseite läuft das Schiff unter Rheinunion 9 von Navi-Fer

Hier zum Vergleich:

https://www.schweizer-reedereien.ch/CHReedereien/gms-rheinunion-9.html

[Muranfan]

@Ernst; ich wurde darauf hingewiesen, dass die NAVI FER Flagge auf dem Schiff nicht mit deiner Symbolflagge überein stimmt. Andererseits habe ich schnell mal ein bisschen verglichen - und auf Fotos von Schiffen, die diese Flagge führen, sind die drei Streifen auf der NAVI FER Flagge alle gleich breit. Welche Flagge ist denn nun korrekt? Gruß - Ronald;-)

@Ronald: Gem. den mir vorliegenden Flaggenbüchlein aus der Sammlung Dexheimer stimmt die von Ernst gepostete Flagge genau

[McRonalds]

@Rolf; dummerweise sieht die Flagge 'in Echt' dann doch etwas anders aus. Habe sie auf etlichen Bildern gefunden - hier mal ein Beispiel vom RHEINUNION 11.

[Rolf Gertsch]

@McRonalds

Vergleiche das Schiff auf deinem Bild mit unserem. Ich kann kein Unterschied fest stellen.
Beachte nur schon die Farbgebung des Haspels am vorderen Ankerspill.

[McRonalds]

@; vielleicht bin ich ja auch etwas zu pedantisch... kann schon sein:-))

[carimar]

Hallo Gentlemen,

Ich muss McRonalds "leider" recht geben ;-) . Die Navi-Fer Flaggenbänder waren alle 3 gleich gross. Ich selber habe ja diese Flagge noch auf dem Rhein wehen sehen.

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Gruss & schöner Nachmittag, Carimar

https://www.swiss-ships.ch/rheinschiffahrt/startframe_ch_rheinreeder.html

[Muranfan]

Hallo Gentlemen,

Ich muss McRonalds "leider" recht geben ;-) . Die Navi-Fer Flaggenbänder waren alle 3 gleich gross. Ich selber habe ja diese Flagge noch auf dem Rhein wehen sehen.

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Gruss & schöner Nachmittag, Carimar

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@Besten Dank Markus und Ronald (prima Beobachtungsgabe!), dann ist die Darstellung in den Flaggenbüchern leider fehlerhaft.

[Rolf Gertsch]

Vielleicht wurde die Flagge ja mal neu gestaltet. Dazu haben wir ja einige Beispiele wie zum Beispiel BRAG oder SR, SRN. Gerade bei SRN wurden die Streifen neu aufgeteilt bzw reduziert.

[Ernst]

Hallo, man kann das jetzt drehen und wenden wie man will..........
Fest steht es hängt eine Flagge von Navi-Fer im Mast.

Gruß ernst dem ist es übrigens auch egal wie lang und breit das Tuch und dessen Stoffdichte ist !!!

[Rolf Gertsch]

Werter Ernst

Danke für deinen Kommentar! Ich sehe das auch so.

Aber was noch wichtiger wäre für die Geschichte generell ist das Gewicht des Stoffes der Flagge in Gramm pro Qm2. Und ist die Flagge gewoben oder bedruckt?

Spass beiseite, in nicht weniger als 30 Jahren interessiert sich niemand mehr für das was wir in Nostalgie schwelgend hier geniessen oder diskutieren. es wird einzig und allein eine in Festplatte eingebrannte Info sein für welche sich niemand mehr interessiert.

Und warum hängen wir das hier an der Flagge auf? Vergleicht das Schiff mit unseren Bildern!

Liebe Grüsse vom Rolf

[McRonalds]

@Rolf; (auch wenn es jetzt nicht hierher gehört, aber) ich finde das Thema Flaggen sehr interessant. Wie viele Schiffe konnten erst auf Grund der geführten Flaggen identifiziert werden. Ständig lese ich hier ‘Das ist doch eine Flagge von Rhenania, MSG, Raab Karcher, S&B’, etc.! Viele diese Reedereiflaggen stammten ja noch aus der Zeit vor der Erfindung des Siebdrucks. Wie fertigte man damals die Flaggen? Ab den 30er Jahren konnten die Stoffe dank fortschreitender Technik einfacher bedruckt werden, aber wer lieferte die Vorlagen? Wer kontrollierte sie? Kam es da auch zu Fehlern?